[19:13] m20321: The amount brought in for the week
[19:14] Crector: DSince when has Dianais actually brought in any loot for the week?
[19:15] zicam: Are you talking taxes???
[19:16] m20321: Loot
[19:16] m20321: Crectors at 138k
[19:17] zicam: Wow very impressive
[19:17] m20321: zicam you're about 406k
[19:17] Crector: Hiw much loot does zicam bring in?
[19:18] m20321: I'm at 152k
[19:18] zicam: How do you come to that figure?
[19:18] slickdave50: and me
[19:18] Crector: How do you arruve at these figures?
[19:18] m20321: xxdemonisxx - is at 260k
[19:18] m20321: The game tracks it
[19:19] m20321: Bottom left hand tool bar. Far right icon.
[19:19] m20321: Arrow to the right at the top for weekly rankings
[19:20] m20321: Sexy Beast - 0 loot
[19:21] m20321: Chlo-Chlo - 8,500
[19:21] m20321: Whiplash -120k
[19:22] m20321: General 313 - 22k
[19:22] m20321: Quiet Mercenary - 0 loot
[19:23] m20321: Garym - 220k
[19:23] m20321: Valiant - 8k
[19:24] m20321: Boulos - 0 loot
[19:24] Crector: All I see are rankings by Honor, not by loot.
[19:24] m20321: Arrow to the right at the top for weekly rankings
[19:24] zicam: very nice
[19:25] m20321: Very nice except it shows that a lot of our higher level players aren't active...
[19:26] m20321: New rules would require minimum limits per week on loot.
[19:27] m20321: Which helps ensure activity in the group.
[19:27] slickdave50: whats mine
[19:28] Dianais: Crector, yes, I should have the report filed. Didn't bring honor for sure, but probably did for some glory. Have to check.
[19:32] Crector: I still can't find this loot ranking thingy.
[19:33] klemal: where it says weekly rankings...arrow right
[19:33] slickdave50: i would like to know mine
[19:35] zicam: Rankiings General Rankings then arrow right = Weekly Rankings
[19:35] klemal: ,156,343 dave
[19:36] klemal: sorry...general rankings is correct
[19:36] Crector: All I see are General Ranking for Achievement, Building and Honor.
[19:37] klemal: when you arrow it changes to weekly rankings and shows loot score
[19:37] Crector: The header by General Rankings?
[19:38] klemal: the green banner at the top that says general rankings has a arrow on both sides...hit the right arrow
[19:39] klemal: I have like 40000
[19:40] klemal: find it dave? Crector?
[19:40] slickdave50: yes
[19:41] Dianais: Yes, loot can be tracked, didn't remember it. So it can be done, someone tracking it down if loot comes a requisite.
[19:41] Crector: yes
[19:42] m20321: sabo was successful on player that attacked f4f
[19:42] m20321: That's one of many rules I would like to start talking about.
[19:42] Crector: The problem with ranking members by loot is that as D,\D. was explaining yesterday, a lot fo players are either semi-active, focus on building or both.
[19:43] m20321: This alliance is either going to grow or continue to stay exactly where it is. I vote grow.
[19:43] m20321: I never stop building and pull in over 100k a week.
[19:44] m20321: It's up to Gary and the group. I'm just putting it out there.
[19:44] klemal: at least I was successful at something today
[19:44] m20321: :)
[19:46] klemal: I count seven fires he has to extinguish....I don't envy him as I've had plenty of that
[19:48] misty18: you were successful at a few things today
[19:48] misty18: growing in rank
[19:49] misty18: gainning alot of glory
[19:49] klemal: yeah, like killing off 2 of my armies
[19:49] Crector: The best thing to do would be to create a spinoff alliance for the part time builder members....keep them in the SF cause, but not in the Knights.
[19:49] misty18: losing 2 armies
[19:50] misty18: i hit that guy who attacked me and he is lvl 29
[19:50] klemal: geez, these tower fires are a real pain...there are so many of them
[19:50] misty18: i thought we lose glory hitting someone 10 lower than us
[19:50] klemal: I made that mistake one time
[19:51] misty18: but i gained double glory
[19:51] klemal: I wish I could do that
[19:51] klemal: you lose honor
[19:51] misty18: well u know how to fix them?
[19:52] klemal: how?
[19:53] klemal: by the way, anyone need food?
[19:53] m20321: Elysium is looking great klemal
[19:53] klemal: just towers left to extinguish
[19:54] klemal: I have almost half done
[19:54] misty18: one at a time
[19:54] misty18: sorry, I could not resist that
[19:54] klemal: :o)
[19:54] misty18: i resent the report
[19:55] misty18: i gained glory and he is lvl 29
[19:55] klemal: ok...I have plenty of food to distribute
[19:55] misty18: i always do also
[19:55] klemal: 162000 in warehouse
[19:55] misty18: but hardly anyone needs
[19:56] klemal: feast or famine, right?
[19:57] Dianais: 186 honor, good strike.
[19:58] misty18: he got 81 honor from me
[19:58] misty18: attacked me last night while i was asleep
[19:58] misty18: so i hit him back
[19:58] misty18: but he is lvl 29 and i am 39
[19:58] misty18: did not think i would get honor
[21:40] m20321: Are you spying on her Crector?
[21:40] klemal: a waste of excellent troops
[21:41] Crector: Befeore she joined SF SC, I made a habit of looting her place in Ice.
[21:41] klemal: well, kinda...I did get a reward of fifty of the King;s finest
[21:41] Crector: Yes...for tghe daily activity bonus.
[21:41] klemal: who's that Crector?
[21:42] m20321: If you're only doing it for the daily activity why don't you spy RBC's instead of allies.
[21:42] Crector: You can spy on RB's?
[21:42] m20321: Seriously?
[21:42] klemal: I do it alot
[21:42] klemal: the bigger ones especially
[21:43] Crector: Learn something everyday.
[21:43] klemal: they don't give up those rubies easily when they are higher level
[21:43] klemal: nasty suckers
[21:44] m20321: Great for coins though
[21:44] Crector: I didn't know about the loot rankings...no surprise to know that the likes of SB 17 are inactive.
[21:44] klemal: I got beat a few times when I was a novice...no more tho, I take them seriously
[21:45] Crector: Only times SB 17 says anything in chat it seems like is when he wants more wood. So I've been sending him wood everyday for trhe bonus.
[21:45] klemal: the best ones for rubies are in the range of from level 4 to 7
[21:46] klemal: you have a better chance of getting rubies without losing anyone
[21:46] Dianais: Yea, RB are good target, I would say more as ruby source than for looting resources. But then it can be costly in troops, you better spy.
[21:46] Crector: It sems like RB's from 12 and on only give up gems.
[21:47] klemal: oh no...I get most from the lower ranges
[21:47] Dianais: But if you just want to go for the daily activity point, just go for a RB level 1. Send 1 spy each time, most times is enough, and cheap.
[21:47] Crector: D.D.: Do you agree with M. that non-looters like SB 17 should be made to measure up or get forced out of the alliance?
[21:47] klemal: the high level rb's are gonna get your blood no matter what when they give up rubies
[21:49] Dianais: I agree in setting activity criteria. Have you seen that we are now consistently on 44 or 45 over 45 seats?
[21:50] Crector: I've recruited a lot more than the Official Recruiters have.
[21:50] klemal: anyhing up to level 7 I send 2 handed sword up the middle with no tools and no flanks or spies and come away with anywhere from 2 to 8 rubies 30% of the time
[21:51] klemal: they wise up tho, after one go round and u have to wait 24 hours to get gems again
[21:51] Dianais: I believe that any criteria should include more items than just looting.
[21:51] Crector: Have you noticed that of the members who werer lvl 40 or higher when I joined around Labor Day, only 4 of them have gained 3 or more lvle and one of them sunny007 has retired?
[21:52] Dianais: I didn't realize that... so 24 hours is around as good as you can get in terms of rubies. It matches with my non-sistematic observations...
[21:53] klemal: they are as regular as the tides in my opinion
[21:53] klemal: but they can get cagey
[21:55] Crector: What's this about 24 hours and rubies?
[21:55] Dianais: But I agree that a criteria for activity would be good. I will talk with Garym on this. Meanwhile we can discuss here what form to take for the criteria, give some weeks for thought and our members to find out what is going on and participate on the discussion as they see fit.
[21:55] klemal: one more round of outsourcing resources and I can get tha last residence fixed in xanadu
[21:57] Dianais: You hit a RB searching for ruby premium, and get it. Then you need to wait 24 hours to hit again if you want to get again the ruby premium. If you hit earlier, only resources.
[21:58] m20321: They supported against my attack. Still won though :)
[21:58] Crector: We could set up a sub alliance for the semi-actives like the DT Rest Home. I've heard that the cost of setting up a new alliance is 375 rubies.
[22:00] Dianais: Good one. They won the flank, as they should, but numbers were enough. Good glory, and even some honor.
[22:01] Crector: SB 17: How are coming with the wood ?
[22:02] m20321: I was gonna lose my Vice Duke title. First time I've won with a support.
[22:03] klemal: these troops I sent to Elysium must have stopped for coffee
[22:03] m20321: So the new military hospitals they let us build require 99 rubies to save a travelling knight.
[22:03] klemal: it ain't worth it
[22:04] m20321: I agree
[22:04] m20321: I thought it would be coins
[22:04] Dianais: Aren't these supposed to avoid full losses when defeated at home?
[22:05] m20321: Apparently it picks up attack troops as well.
[22:05] Dianais: I thought they worked automatically once built, every time an attack stroke the castle.
[22:06] Sexy Beast 17: hat doesnt seem right to change the rules after you build them
[22:08] m20321: Maybe it's different for offensive troops than defensive troops. Right know I've got about 70 troops in my military hospital.
[22:08] m20321: I can save 5 at a time at 99 rubies a piece.
[22:09] Crector: SB 17:Did you build a military hospital before the rules were changed?
[22:09] Crector: He ran off....
[22:10] Dianais: BLOOD2 - MARS LEAGUE - THE BLACK MAMBA - ALASKA PIRATES - THE AVENGERS
[22:10] klemal: ????
[22:10] m20321: Our subs
[22:10] Dianais: Not all working... but these may be good options for our guys staying a while when with low activity.
[22:11] Dianais: We would need to reestablish a good communication and contact, though.
[22:11] klemal: for a minute I thought we were being invaded
[22:12] klemal: MARS ATTACKS!
[22:12] Dianais: Just an option to the creation of a sub from zero.
[22:12] Crector: Alaska Pirates and Mars League seem to be all screwed up.
[22:14] Crector: Boulos may seem to be inactive, but he's made some big donations.
[22:33] Rust_Nail: haha
[22:34] Rust_Nail: back to the question of creating subs or thinning the herd
[22:34] Dianais: If the attack comes with only some minutes of advice and you have klemal's internet connection, you are lost... you'll never be able to run the calculator...
[22:34] Dianais: : )
[22:34] Rust_Nail: point taken
[22:34] Rust_Nail: lol
[22:35] Rust_Nail: thats why I said its good for the foriegn attacks
[22:35] Rust_Nail: you usually have a long time to set up
[22:35] Crector: klemal is strangely silent....
[22:35] Rust_Nail: this is the most ive talked in a long time on here
[22:35] Rust_Nail: might be due to the beer
[22:35] Rust_Nail: haha
[22:35] Rust_Nail: beer and meds dont mix too well
[22:36] Rust_Nail: if i start mistyping stuff just treat it as a slur and ignore it
[22:36] Dianais: Ha. Your discussion on the calculator sounds coherent, though.
[22:36] Rust_Nail: ;)
[22:36] Rust_Nail: Ive had a lot of practice drinking and functioning
[22:36] Crector: One big problem with this alliance is that most of the chat activity is die to a small number of members.
[22:37] Crector: due not die
[22:37] Rust_Nail: they say larger level people lose interest aster
[22:37] Rust_Nail: fast
[22:38] Dianais: Not long ago that small number of members was mostly one, in the person of Crector...
[22:38] Rust_Nail: there is some discussion on the forums about how to maintain an active fluent alliance through rotation of players
[22:38] Rust_Nail: I read it awhile back
[22:38] Rust_Nail: but not too close
[22:39] Dianais: Now Crector usually is not alone, which is an advance.
[22:39] Rust_Nail: one thing you can do is to have weekly loot stuff
[22:39] Rust_Nail: say set a small amount that people have to make
[22:40] Rust_Nail: if they dont get it for a few consecutive weeks then they got to go to a sub
[22:40] Rust_Nail: I like Crectors point of creating a sub
[22:40] Rust_Nail: the only problem is you will hae to have someone there to handle it
[22:40] Rust_Nail: all the time
[22:40] Crector: D,.D.: You have not been a silent type yourself.
[22:40] Dianais: klemal is strangely silent...
[22:40] Rust_Nail: somebody who is active and that takes away from this goup
[22:41] Rust_Nail: Im gushing tonight
[22:41] Rust_Nail: lol
[22:41] Crector: When he talks, zicam is pretty interesting...the problem is getting him to talk.
[22:41] Rust_Nail: hmm
[22:42] Dianais: : )
[22:42] Dianais: Not speaking of just klemal. There are several guys with good activity learning and developing here, which was an excellent development.
[22:42] Rust_Nail: ok fellas Im gonna go down the hall for some TLC
[22:42] Rust_Nail: I live in a Coed Dorm and my girl is down the hall
[22:42] Dianais: RN: what you were mentioning was just was M wrought to discussion.
[22:42] Rust_Nail: that is what takes up most of m time
[22:42] Crector: When I'm online, I'm the exact opposite of the kind of person I am in real life due to the fact that I get stage fright and don't want to speak up in groups.
[22:43] Dianais: We are beginning the discussion right today.
[22:43] Rust_Nail: gonna throw my 2 cents in
[22:43] Dianais: RN: rightly so... : )
[22:43] Rust_Nail: then I got to go
[22:42] Dianais: : )
[22:42] Dianais: Not speaking of just klemal. There are several guys with good activity learning and developing here, which was an excellent development.
[22:42] Rust_Nail: ok fellas Im gonna go down the hall for some TLC
[22:42] Rust_Nail: I live in a Coed Dorm and my girl is down the hall
[22:42] Dianais: RN: what you were mentioning was just was M wrought to discussion.
[22:42] Rust_Nail: that is what takes up most of m time
[22:42] Crector: When I'm online, I'm the exact opposite of the kind of person I am in real life due to the fact that I get stage fright and don't want to speak up in groups.
[22:43] Dianais: We are beginning the discussion right today.
[22:43] Rust_Nail: gonna throw my 2 cents in
[22:43] Dianais: RN: rightly so... : )
[22:43] Rust_Nail: then I got to go
[22:43] Rust_Nail: I like it here even though I dont talk much
[22:43] Rust_Nail: sorry about that
[22:43] Rust_Nail: I just am really busy
[22:43] Rust_Nail: lol
[22:44] Dianais: No problem RN, see you around.
[22:44] Rust_Nail: but if you guys decide to do something and move people
[22:44] Rust_Nail: please let me know if its me you want to move before you do something
[22:44] Rust_Nail: LOL
[22:44] Rust_Nail: nite
[22:44] Rust_Nail: night
[22:44] Crector: night
[22:44] Dianais: lol. nite RN.
[22:44] GARYM: good night
[22:45] klemal: gnite Gary...sorry dozed off myself
[22:45] Crector: So, GARYM, what do you think of these ideas?
[22:46] klemal: Lets see, hospital...my take on it is that it is a wayfor the game to make money...a fancy, a frill...and I am too cheap
[22:46] GARYM: well we can either create a sub or increase the number of members it is hard to support or manage a sub
[22:48] Crector: Costs 150k rubies just to increase membership by 2...costs just 375 rubies to create a new 15 member sub.
[22:48] GARYM: we could also do like some alliances do and have a 30day probation period before granting permanent membership
[22:50] Crector: What about the long-term semi-actives?
[22:51] Rust_Nail: hey
[22:51] Rust_Nail: i just read under hospitals in the forums that its going to be fixed
[22:51] Rust_Nail: less time to heal and no rubies
[22:52] GARYM: if they are high level it looks good to have them in the alliance as long as they dont go into ruins
[22:52] Dianais: Both things are true... any sub or smaller friendly alliance would likely need to have local leadership and management. I don't think we can manage a sub ok at this time, we would need more active players willing to jump in and out with a minimum freq. On the other side, looks like extending the alliance number will be extremely costly.
[22:52] Rust_Nail: ok thats my input now Im going down the hall
[22:52] Dianais: Tks RN.
[22:53] Rust_Nail: good night
[22:54] Crector: There ios an alliance called thde DT Rest Home that has a member by ColonelDicJr that's for semiactive Dream Team members.
[22:54] Dianais: On the big picture, looks like a strategy by GGE. Introducing a feature with 'bugs', then solving them and conceding some benefits...
[22:55] GARYM: how are they going to fix the hospitals i liked them the way they were before
[22:55] Dianais: The hospital modifications fit in the pattern...
[22:55] Dianais: Maybe they are coming back there.
[22:56] GARYM: i want them to automatically fix the injured troops
[22:56] Dianais: I will need to test this hospital, a lot of controversy is spinning around.
[22:56] Crector: Was the bit about requiring charcoal and olive oild to put out fires part of this pattern?
[22:57] GARYM: i am not sure how the new hospitals work
[22:57] Dianais: Yea, that was what I thought they did. Now you need to fix the troops manually... I believe they will not fix this part....
[22:57] Dianais: Just the part of asking rubies instead of coins...
[23:09] GARYM: well i have to go to bed see you later
[23:11] Dianais: See Garym.
[23:11] Crector: This has been an unusually productive chat sesssion tonight....
[23:14] Crector: My commanders are 0/9 right now.
[23:25] klemal: nite M
[23:30] klemal: NICE A ONE AND A HALM MINUTE WAR HORN
[23:30] Dianais: Yea.
[23:30] klemal: oops, sorry for the caps
[23:31] Dianais: I still have a few secs to make it...
[23:31] Dianais: Didn't make it.
[23:31] klemal: it's that idot again
[23:31] klemal: and I warned him too
[23:31] Crector: Msg just sent to that rickdockins creep:
[23:31] Crector: Why are you attacking your allies?
[23:32] klemal: screw it...he needs another torch ob or a message to his leader
[23:32] Dianais: Scheduling sabos on this rick guy.
[23:32] Dianais: Also, sending support for the next 12 hours at least.
[23:33] klemal: I flamed him a hour ago for his last transgression and then sent him a message to stop
[23:34] Crector: Sent some support as well
[23:35] klemal: I can't hit him again for several hours
[23:35] Crector: In about 20 minutes, my sabs will be freed up.
[23:36] klemal: he put out the fires I started
[23:37] klemal: we should put this creeps lights out
[23:38] klemal: fisher..are you there?
[23:56] Dianais: Can't make it in time to Crector's in ice.
[23:57] klemal: I don't have a castle there yet
[00:11] Dianais: See you tomorrow guys.
[00:13] klemal: nite
[00:15] Dave Trites: gn all
[00:21] klemal: nite dave..I am gonna check out too
[00:22] Elsie Whiting: Night
[00:22] klemal: Crector...are u here?
[00:23] klemal: how are ya Elsie?
[00:23] Crector: Yes.
[00:23] klemal: sorry I don't have a cstle in the North country yet
[00:24] klemal: I need to get moving on that
[00:24] klemal: I'm sure you have that attack covered
[00:25] Elsie Whiting: Im doing good klemal, how are you?
[00:25] klemal: recovering from a large loss this evening
[00:25] klemal: I'm good
[00:25] Crector: Not really...he's far more powerful than I am....12 lvls higher and he's got all sorts of elite triops....hoping to get my attack troops out of there before he hits home.
[00:26] klemal: need anything?
[00:26] Crector: No, thank you.
[00:26] klemal: I don't know if I could send anything yet
[00:27] klemal: just banking resources up there now
[00:27] Crector: No you can't.
[00:27] klemal: I'm about half way to getting a castle there...maybe will as soon as I get these op's done
[00:28] klemal: Elsie, do you need anything...l
[00:28] Crector: Everyone in every alliance is all scattered around in Everwinter....If I had any idea what it was like I would have never set up shop here.
[00:29] Elsie Whiting: Nope Im doing good. Thanks
[00:29] Elsie Whiting: You guys need anything?
[00:29] klemal: what about that Island place?
[00:29] klemal: I'm okay Elsie
[00:30] klemal: Maybe I won't bother with that place then
[00:30] Crector: Because of the Everwinter experience, never been there or in Burning Sands wither.
[00:31] klemal: maybe I will take a pass on it then...at least for awhile longer
[00:31] slickdave50: i dont like it e winter
[00:31] klemal: oh well, ya'll have a good night...my eyes are closing
[00:32] Crector: Good Night buddy.
[00:32] Elsie Whiting: Night klemal
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