[05:07] Crector: Will GARYM have the gumption to stand up to this display of naked aggression against us?
[06:50] Dianais: BIT is beginning again to spy and attack our members.
[06:51] Dianais: Attacked twice Crector at sleeping times, when support is more difficult.
[06:52] Dianais: So a round of attacks from this guys is likely coming for other members.
[06:52] Dianais: Build defense and be ready to support when online.
[06:53] Dianais: General, please report which RV and from which player and alliance was taken from you.
[06:54] Dianais: Or whether you entered in negatiations with this player and alliance to arrange RV devolution.
[06:56] Dianais: I am afraid the only disuassion we can use with BIT is war. Both alliances share the ground, attacking us does not require going far from home, plus the short lenghs complicate defense.
[06:58] Dianais: We need to move to alliance soon. I wouldn't think that this move will act as deterrent for attacks, but will provide a basis for a war.
[06:59] Dianais: We can also answer attacking the guys, but for effectiveness this requires as much attack as possible from all our members. BIT has many levels, many of us can be given targets.
[07:00] Dianais: Answering the attacks with attacks will also require coordination.
[07:00] General 313: that runt stole my rv
[07:02] Dianais: Who was the player, what alliance.
[07:02] Dianais: Sorry, just got the report
[07:03] Dianais: M: once online, ask for the return of the RV to the player, contact their diplomat.
[07:04] Dianais: General, put a short note to m20321 mail so he is aware, in case this thread grows long along the day.
[07:04] General 313: i sent a message to his leader and said "you say you dont steal rvs but player stole one of mine"
[08:35] poot11: is any one doing the new kingdom
[08:36] Crector: Stormy Isslands? I'm passoing on that for now.
[08:48] Crector: I'm getting an army recruited in Ice.
[08:55] Crector: [06:56] Dianais: I am afraid the only disuassion we can use with BIT is war. Wrong. If you want to dissuade them, then the best option is to enter a new alliance grouping to replace what we had in LOF. We're not the only ones doing this as shown by the fact that the alliance that until recenty was known as LOF Legion VIII is now "Plum Crazy" and as such is part and parcel of the Crazy People grouping. In other words, give peace a chance. Make war an extreme last resort.
[10:04] m20321: Message sent. I'll let y'all know what their response is.
[10:40] poot11: we should try to become a sub of SF blood hawks
[10:44] Crector: Or their equal as a Direct Branch within the larger S-F's.
[11:00] Crector: m20321: What message was sent and to whom?
[11:29] xXDemonisXx: helo
[12:24] m20321: I sent the alliances diplomat a message regarding the RV.
[12:43] fart4fun: if im not progressing in levels it is because 1) i dont have many resorces, and 2) im upgrading all my towers and buildings to max. Just so you know that im not very innactive. I want to be ahead of other people my level.
[17:38] sunny007: hello
[17:42] jimmer777: hey
[19:17] Dianais: M: you and crector are appointed diplomats. Let's move to a search of an alliance to fit in.
[19:22] m20321: No Problem. As a group I think we bring a pretty strong alliance to the table and should be selective in who we want.
[19:23] Crector: Great. How should we go about this? Should I contact the SR's while m20321 contacts a different alliance?
[19:23] m20321: In our alliance pacts we list BIT as one of the groups we have a pact with. This is clearly not being honored and should probably be removed.
[19:25] Crector: That's the original BiT alliance, not the one that's been ayyacking us...having a pact, I believe, prevents them from attacking us.
[19:25] m20321: I stand corrected. You are right Crector. Although that is interesting if they are a sub to the original BIT.
[19:27] m20321: S.F. Stonecold is an alliance we are currently allied with that seems to be somewhat independent. They are about 50 members deep.
[19:27] Crector: Its a Direct Branch making BiT Elite more than just a sub.
[19:28] m20321: They are also relatively close to the bunch of us up here. Not sure about the rest of the group.
[19:28] Crector: There are a number of SF alliances.. pretty sure they are all related.
[19:29] Crector: phone's ringing...back soon.
[19:30] m20321: In my opinion SF may be a good alliance to approach. Dianais you are one of the more senior folks. Any opinions on an alliance.
[19:32] m20321: I also don't think we should be joining any alliance as a sub but as a direct branch
[19:46] Crector: That's my preference.
[19:47] m20321: any other opinions? This is a quiet group in chat for such a big decision...
[19:47] Crector: Other alliance groupings that look interesting are Paradigm, Bloody Conquerors & the Crazy People.
[19:49] Crector: SR's & SF are bdest because we already have relationships with them....don't ever recall ever being attacked by any of their members even before becoming a member fo this alliance.
[19:50] m20321: I agree with your logic Crector. I can reach out to SF if you want to reach out to SR. I'd like to hear from Dianais before we take those steps though.
[19:53] m20321: be back in just a bit
[19:53] Crector: We should not try to affiliate with independent alliances such as Ghost Recon, TNOTAIS & Wolfgang especially since they don't seem to have done much.
[20:01] Crector: D.D.: Why are you not posting your 2 cents worth?
[20:01] Dianais: Sorry, was out. Let me take a look at SF & SR.
[20:02] Crector: The same goes for the rest of you llurkers in here....
[20:02] Dianais: Sunny, may be you remember what alliance Jimmy headed to?
[20:06] Crector: GARYM said something once after he returned that he was interested in Bloody Conquerors since it included a long time member of this alliance.
[20:14] General 313: jimmy is in bloody conquerors
[20:14] Crector: https://www.google.com/search?client=aff-maxthon-maxthon4&channel=t27&q=Storm%20Reapers&gws_rd=sslq=Storm+Reapers+GGE&start=0
[20:14] Crector: Links to GGE Forum threads mentioning the SR's.
[20:15] Crector: General 313: Any opinions about diplomacy and what alliance groupings to affiiliate with?
[20:15] General 313: i havent thought much about it but bloody conqueros is an option
[20:21] m20321: Bloody Conqueror's is a pretty big alliance. I think we would be relegated to a sub alliance with them in lieu of a direct branch. The upside is they are a very strong group.
[20:26] Dianais: So as I read it with SF we can target to be a direct branch, while with Bloody Conquerors probably we need to settle as sub.
[20:26] Dianais: What about SR? Is there a branch you have been sighting?
[20:29] Dianais: Option: We can explore thru Jimmy what would be our status with Bloody Conquerors. If we find it will be sub, we can switch to negotiations with SF.
[20:29] Dianais: bbl
[20:34] Crector: On the Overview, it says that I've been demoted while I feel that Diplomat is much more important than War Marshal.
[20:39] m20321: I'll wait to hear back from you Dianais before reaching out to SF. I still think it makes sense to reach out to SR as well if BC doesn't pan out.
[20:44] Crector: The castle of the leader of the recruit/training sub of SR: Hard Liquor, Erwin Roimmel, is right by Outpost Trex. I'd make him the initial contact person about finding out who is the overall leader of the SR's or who should be contacted about affiliations.
[20:45] Crector: Rommel
[21:36] Dianais: Seems than SR Hard Liquor is closer than other SF branches. I would approach SR first.
[21:38] Crector: I'll get at msg'ng Eerrwin Rommel and send a copy to you. Did you read the msg I sent regarding frf?
[21:38] Dianais: Yes.
[21:39] Dianais: I agree.
[21:47] Crector: Might as wel as let everyone ese read it:
[21:47] Crector: As you may have known my alliance, formerly known as LOF Blood, was originally part of the LOF grouping of alliances. However, just last week we were cast out as part of a LOF reorganization. As a result, we are looking for a new place to call home.Could you please provide the name of the person that we need to approach about the idea of this alliance becoming part of the Storm Reapers grouping of alliances? Thank you for your consideration,Crector, Diplomat U.S. Armed Forces
[21:49] Dianais: Ok ok.
[21:52] Crector: Who is this Jimmy you werre talkig about earlier?
[22:02] Dianais: A player from some time ago. He liked to explore, poping now and then in and out of other alliances. Then he liked BC, and parted from here in good relation.
[22:03] Crector: Question: If we go to another alliance grouping, do our subs automatically go with us?
[22:03] Dianais: King.Jimmy
[22:05] Crector: He still has some posts on the alliance notice board.
[22:17] Crector: If SR's/SF's fail the test, then do you want to contact King.Jimmy yourself?
[22:18] Dianais: Yes, that would be the best approach.
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