[17:16] Crector: This sounds good:
[17:16] Crector: Hi Crector,I am with SR and I understand you all want to become a Direct sub for us?in order to become a direct sub you must carry the SR in your name please.let me know when your ready and we will add you to are list of subs.Take Care, Jim
[17:16] Crector: Hopfully Dianais can do this...
[17:17] m20321: Are we ruling out SF then?
[17:18] Crector: If we becoem a direct sub of SR's, yes we are.
[17:21] m20321: Why are we only talking to SR and not both. We could just as easily be given the opportunity to become a direct sub of SF... I was waiting to hear from Dianis before reaching out to them but I think it's in our interests to evaluate both as discussed yesterday.
[17:21] m20321: I'll reach ou to SF tonight and see what they offer.
[17:23] jimmer777: i lost 500 honor whichh is hard for me to get back
[17:26] Crector: Don't you underatand, all Dianais or GARYM has to change our name and we're part of SR's.
[17:28] m20321: I understand. I'm just not as excited about SR as you are.
[17:30] m20321: I also thought we were reaching out to Jimmy at Bloody Conquerors
[17:32] Crector: You can't become affiliated to more than one grouping at a time.
[17:32] m20321: I know.
[17:32] Crector: My rank is too low to change the alliance name.
[18:19] m20321: Jimmer - I heard from Blackwood. He's willing to stop his attacks if you don't initiate anymore against him. His level is too low and would cost me honor points to attack,
[19:41] m20321: Message from SF - Talked to the bosses and they would love to have you guys join the family. We will set up a meeting after islands. We move a lot of plyers around to get the top aqua points and allow our subs and and allies to get in on the bonuses
[19:44] Crector: Why would you msg SF after we were accepted by SR's?
[19:45] m20321: Why would you assume that the alliance you presented is the only option available to the group?
[19:46] m20321: My point is that this should be a group decision not a Crector/M20321 decision
[19:46] Crector: I thought that I made it clear that SR's turned us doiwn then we would next approach SF or Bloody Conquerors.
[19:47] m20321: You assumed that your opinion took a bigger priority than anyone else in the group.
[19:47] m20321: I disagree
[19:48] m20321: It isn't your decision alone to decide the fate of the alliance
[19:48] Crector: Ithoughtg tht we had agrred onn that, including Dianais...as for the rest of the group, only a very few others have expressed any sort of interest. Since Dianis probably won't even be on until 11PM CST if at all on Hallwoeen, then we still have plenty of time to talk about it.
[19:49] m20321: I agree. We need to agree as a group. I also agree that a bunch of the group won't have an opinion but it only seems right to give everyone a chance to voice their opinion
[19:54] Crector: We'll see what Dianais says when she gets back from trick or treating or from the hangover....She may have the power to change the alliance name. If she does n0t, tghen we will have to wait upon the whims of the leader.
[20:07] jenga123: ok
[21:42] Crector: Just reached 70 activity points again....
[23:26] jenga123: nice
[00:22] Crector: So thee's a place called Castle BAD?
[03:11] Crector: Thus far no attacks from the BiT "Elite". Knock on wood.....
[04:10] Crector: Pretty interesting reading:
[04:10] Crector: http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2011140963_roach21m.html
[07:12] General 313: it takes rubys to change the name
[07:17] Crector: How many?
[07:19] Crector: General 313: What's yur take on affiliatin with another alliance group: Are you OK with the SR's or not?
[07:19] General 313: dont remember but it is a lot because skull the previouly leader was joining other alliances all the time and we had to change our name a lot
[07:19] Crector: Same question goes for the rest of you vagabonds as wel.
[07:36] Crector: I remember bck when Bleeding THC & I founded The Blitz alliance after we left the Legion of Aid back in July, the price for starting a new alliance was 375 rubies. If that's the price for changing the name, then I have more than that on hand and could donate it to the alliance for that purpose.
[07:37] sunny007: morning all
[07:38] Crector: Morning
[07:40] m20321: Good morning all
[07:40] m20321: Note from the leader of SF Stonecold - hello m20321,im hacksaw4 leader of S.F.STONECOLD one of my members told me you guys were looking for a new family i hope you would consider ours.were not the biggest family out there but were growing ,if you have any questions please contact me i will do my best to answer them .
[07:41] Chlo-Chlo: i think it is like 5000
[07:41] m20321: Sounds like they are excited at the possibility of us joining with them. This is the second note I've received from them.
[07:42] Crector: Is that the main alliance?
[07:42] Chlo-Chlo: would we be a sub or an equal part of the family
[07:43] Crector: With the SR's, we would be a "direct sub" putting us on a par with our allies in SR:SandH
[07:44] Crector: [19:41] m20321: Message from SF - Talked to the bosses and they would love to have you guys join the family. We will set up a meeting after islands. We move a lot of plyers around to get the top aqua points and allow our subs and and allies to get in on the bonuses
[07:44] Crector: What is this islands business and when does it happen?
[07:45] m20321: It is the main alliance. They have several training alliances below them. The initial note I sent was very clear that we were looking to be a "direct sub".
[07:45] m20321: Island is one of the other kingdoms in the map.
[07:46] Chlo-Chlo: i would rather be part of the family than a sub have we checked with jimmy
[07:46] m20321: aka the Storm Islands
[07:47] Chlo-Chlo: it is a temporary kingdom
[07:47] m20321: I was also waiting to hear from Jimmy before reaching out to SF. There was a big push last night to change us to SR so I reached out to SF to see what our options are. I'm also curious about Jimmy and BC.
[07:48] Chlo-Chlo: jimmy was a level 4 when he jjoined us and rose in our alliance fast he is still loyal to this alliance but needed more action
[07:53] Crector: Thought Dianais was going to contact him. If yuwant, we could also contact Paradigm. Dream Team is another family that includes such well known alliances as Masters of Chaos. However, I'm afraid that GaryM would have have a heart attack if we even consiered them.
[07:59] Crector: Another problem with Dream Team is that hardly any of their castles are in our area. When they hit our senior members, those marches must have taken forever.
[08:03] Crector: Here's another idea that GarM would freak out over: KON
[08:03] Crector: GaryM
[08:06] Crector: 534:348 Burning castle of independnet Lvl 53 player. Might be too far away for most of you though.
[08:07] Crector: 542:342 burning independent Lvl 35
[08:22] Crector: Here's the msg I just sent the Diplomat of Dream Team:
[08:22] Crector: Originally, this alliance, formerly known as LOF: Blood, was part of the LOF family of alliances. However, last week as part of a reorganization, we were dropped by LOF. Since we prefer to be part of an alliance group, we have decided to ask you if we may join your alliance family as a direct branch/sub.Thank you for your consideration,Crector Diplomat U.S. Armed Forces
[08:23] Crector: If we can become one their direct branches, then I'm alll for DT since they are stronger than SR's and they have also driven the leader of BiT Elite, Lee_41, right up a wall.
[08:26] Crector: m20221 is obviously too shocked to offer any sort of opinion. Imagine DAlex & Whiplash will be similarly numbstrck.
[08:27] Crector: m20321
[08:32] m20321: Why would I be too shocked?
[08:33] m20321: Nothing you've said is all that interesting. You sent the same letter to Dream Team that you sent to SR.
[08:34] m20321: Most of use have families and life's to attend to and aren't waiting on baited breath for your next diatribe.
[08:37] Crector: You obviously do not have a sense of humor.....
[08:40] Crector: Speaking of humor, I'll msg Uma777 of Plum Crazy and find out who to contact to join the Crazy People aliance family.
[08:47] Crector: Here's their website:
[08:47] Crector: http://crazyoneempire.weebly.com/
[08:47] Crector: Crazy Ones
[08:52] Crector: Actually, because I found their website, can msg their leader direcly and bypass Uma777.
[09:19] Crector: Msg sent to the Diplomat of The Crazy Ones:Originally, this alliance, formerly known as LOF: Blood, was part of the LOF family of alliances. However, last week as part of a reorganization, we were dropped by LOF. Likewise, the alliance formerly known as LOF Legion VIII decided to bolt LOF and become Plum Crazy. That being the case, we have decided to ask you if we may join your alliance family as a direct branch.Thank you for your consideration,Crector Diplomat U.S. Armed Forces
[09:33] Crector: m20321: Did you contact Bloody Conquerors? Reason why I'm asking is that I just received a shipment of Wood from a guy in BC 2 that I've never even heard of before.
[09:34] m20321: Nope...
[09:44] poot11: i need men for support
[09:46] Crector: For how long?
[09:47] poot11: maybe 1 hour
[09:47] poot11: they arrive in 26 minutes
[09:50] fart4fun: sorry, your 94 miles away from me
[09:50] Crector: Its just a Lvl 1 Robber Baron...you should have problem defeating it...In any event, it would take 52 minutes for defensive troops from Outpost Trex to reach you.
[09:50] poot11: ok thanks
[09:55] Crector: Lvl 32 independent player that someone might want want to prey on at 551:348
[10:01] Crector: Shalavee is in ruins...her OP's are up fior grabs.
[10:15] cool kid4: i had fun last night
[10:19] Crector: Weird: There is a tent symbol right by my castle that when you run the cursor over it, says "Support requested." Did not put it thee and have now idea how to put something liek that up.
[10:21] cool kid4: i did that
[10:23] Crector: How did you do it?
[10:23] Crector: Also, please undo it. I'm not under attack.
[10:25] cool kid4: i kent
[10:32] Crector: If you can't undo it, then why did you do it in the first place?
[10:33] cool kid4: ?
[11:07] Crector: However, its not important now given that he is attacking the monutment belonging to Kingdom of Neph2 a move that will almost certainly lead to war if you don't get him to recall that army right now.
[11:09] Crector: cool kid4: Why are you attacking that monument? Don't you know that is one of the single most powerful alliances in the game? Or don't you care?
[11:10] Crector: D.D.: Why are you not doing something about this? Or are you in a state of shell shock?
[11:12] Dianais: Crector: in the map on your castle I see an attack symbol. When I run my cursor over it says "coordinated attack".
[11:12] Crector: Evenb worse, its a Capture Attack according to the Travel Overview.
[11:13] Crector: I see it now...he's not in Chat now...bet he did it.
[11:13] Dianais: Crector: is it a fact that CK4 is still a multi after our warning?
[11:15] Crector: Turns out that I have the power to kicj him out and just did it. His other 2 accounts are still in the game. Don't know if he's been playing them for sure, but given his immature behavior, can't rule it out.
[11:18] Dianais: Crector: he is a kiddo... immature behavior is included in that condition. But we warned him about multi, if he still around with the other accounts is a risk for us all.
[11:19] Crector: Found the austin778 account still in the game. Caouldn't remember the other one and neglected to write them down in the notebook.
[11:21] Crector: ok...but defacing a castle, not undoing it and attacking the monument belonging to a powerhouse alliance are deal breakers as far as I'm concerned.
[11:24] Dianais: Yes they are. We don't need to discuss it, being a Multi is reason for expulsion, continue on that condition after the warning is an aggravating fact. It's ok.
[11:24] Crector: Good news: Storm Reapers approved us as a "direct sub" making us the equal of SR:SandH and the like. Problem is that we have to change the alliance name to include SR: in front of it. According to Gemeral 313, that consts a lot of rubies. Do you have the poer to change it and if so how much will it cost?
[11:25] Dianais: Let me check... I yet have 60 messages in green, I think you already sent one with subject the change of the name.
[11:26] Crector: Also, the M guy does nto like it, says that we're acting too hastily so I've been spending msgn't other alliance groupings including Dream Team. None have replied.
[11:29] Crector: Should I also msg Kingdom of Neph about affiliating with them? Or would that be too radical a move?
[11:32] Crector: The M guy contacted S-F and says that they are "excited" by the idea of our joining them, but want to wit until the Storm Islands are over with.
[11:47] Dianais: Crector: your message on Bit Elite. There are all sorts of relationships in the server, I guess is the natural thing to expect... I don't disapprove a militaristic profile, it is a war game after all. But personally don't approve / won't be part of an alliance preying in small targets. Or launching massive attacks with no reason against smaller alliances.
[11:50] Crector: I have not even so much as considered asking them for affiliation.
[11:50] Dianais: Now, the game is not only a war game, there is a lot depending in diplomacy, the more the higher the alliance is ranked. Massive attacks agaisnt equally sized alliances are all common, and part of the game. They are not fair when against an alliance that is growing or with many new recruits, as neither the alliance nor the recruits are readied for it. But when most of the player are above 60, it's something that will happen.
[11:51] Dianais: Then again the importance of a network of alliances where you can get support. Massive attacks against your alliance should mean retaliation from the bigger network of alliances.
[11:51] Crector: Why are yu saying this? Did I write something that made you think that I want us to be like BiT "Elite"?
[11:52] Dianais: ??
[11:52] Dianais: No.
[11:53] Crector: That was themsg to another player that I snt a copy to you.
[11:54] Dianais: Just clarifying: there is a to be expected the grow of militaristic profiles in a war game, as for a war game a militaristic profile is an advantage.
[11:55] Crector: That clears things up.
[11:56] Dianais: Still need to test whether I can change name of the alliance... but we better test it with the new preferred name, if it will cost rubies let's not waste them.
[11:57] Crector: Do you want to change it for Storm Reapers or wait for what the other alliances say? That is what the M guy would advocate if he were here.
[11:59] Crector: D.D.: In any event, do you want me to write Kingdom of Neph about affilation or not?
[12:00] Crector: My only guess is that cool kid4 bookmarked my castle....if wo it would explain why there's a red skull over a robber baron castle near my place.
[12:00] Crector: so
[12:06] Dianais: We already have a picture. As I read it, SR is ready, a second option is to wait for about 30 days for consideration.
[12:07] Dianais: Let's discuss along today and tomorrow to give the opportunity for other members to catch up on what's going on. At this point I would go for SR tomorrow night.
[12:08] Dianais: Assuming I could change name and we have enough rubies for it.
[12:10] Crector: Only problem is that earlier this morning and last night, the M guy had tantrums obver the idea of affiliating with the SR's without exploring all the possibilities. As for myself, I'm all for going with the SR's.
[12:12] Crector: [19:41] m20321: Message from SF - Talked to the bosses and they would love to have you guys join the family. We will set up a meeting after islands. We move a lot of plyers around to get the top aqua points and allow our subs and and allies to get in on the bonuses[19:44] Crector: Why would you msg SF after we were accepted by SR's?[19:45] m20321: Why would you assume that the alliance you presented is the only option available to the group?[19:46] m20321: My point is that this should be a group decision not a Crector/M20321 decision[19:46] Crector: I thought that I made it clear that SR's turned us doiwn then we would next approach SF or Bloody Conquerors.[19:47] m20321: You assumed that your opinion took a bigger priority than anyone else in the group.[19:47] m20321: I disagree[19:48] m20321: It isn't your decision alone to decide the fate of the alliance
[12:13] Crector: [19:48] Crector: Ithoughtg tht we had agrred onn that, including Dianais...as for the rest of the group, only a very few others have expressed any sort of interest. Since Dianis probably won't even be on until 11PM CST if at all on Hallwoeen, then we still have plenty of time to talk about it.[19:49] m20321: I agree. We need to agree as a group. I also agree that a bunch of the group won't have an opinion but it only seems right to give everyone a chance to voice their opinion
[12:16] Dianais: There is a lot in there, I will not be able to parse now. Will be back later. As it is, we all agree in not taking an action until tomorrow night. If we feel that some more time is needed we can discuss it.
[12:16] Crector: My city guards just caught cool kid4 trying to spy on my castle.
[12:17] Dianais: We don't have a problem on my view, we do need to explore options, and you have been working on that side.
[12:18] Crector: Now the label on my castle reads Free to attack.
[12:18] Dianais: Having two diplomats make for more options, more options is just we need at this time. But my thinking is that we need also to avoid delaying if we can reach consensus.
[12:19] m20321: Your last comment Dianais has been my point all along.
[12:20] m20321: bbl
[12:20] Crector: Given the state of uninterest with only General 313 & Chlo-Chlo expressing any inteest this morning, consensus would be pretty hard to come by.
[12:22] Dianais: Let's qualify consensus between those who have formed opinion, and the possibility to be informed on what's going on for the rest.
[12:22] Crector: [07:47] m20321: I was also waiting to hear from Jimmy before reaching out to SF. There was a big push last night to change us to SR so I reached out to SF to see what our options are. I'm also curious about Jimmy and BC.
[12:23] Dianais: Leaving, back later.
[12:23] Crector: I have to go now too.
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